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nra boot rule?
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| russbroach |
Posted on 11-01-2010 20:09
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I'm shooting in a postal with nra rules. Believe it or not I can't find any free clarification on whether or not one can wear work boots. I'm too cheap to buy a rule book. What is the answer. |
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| Pat Mccoy |
Posted on 11-01-2010 21:13
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Check this out: http://www.nrahq.org/compete/nra-rule-books.asp |
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| Justin Credible |
Posted on 11-01-2010 21:26
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It depends on which NRA rules they are using and then possibly how the boots are constructed. The NRA rulebooks are free online: http://www.nrahq.org/compete/nra-rule-books.asp
For a whole $3 you can get a printed copy. Anyone who competes should have a rule book and be familiar where to find answers in it!
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| justadude |
Posted on 12-01-2010 10:02
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As has been pointed out, this will depend on WHICH set of NRA rules. There are two smallbore rifle discipline rule books, one simply NRA Smallbore Rifle Rules (a burnt orange or brick colored book) and the NRA International Rifle Rules (a buff colored book) Clarify which set applies with either the match bulletin or by contacting the match director.
Now, for NRA rule books equipment is covered in section 3 of the rules and things like clothing would be under 3.11.
For the INTERNATIONAL rules look up 3.11.1(C). As a general rule things like work boots would not be allowed. In fact you will find that many athletic shoes (gym, running, court etc...) will fail a rigorous inspection for having soles that are too thick or being too thick through the heel cup.
For less stringent SMALLBORE rules boots and shoes are not specifically addressed so under that framework basic work boots would be fine. This being said without looking at your work boots. A person should also be aware of the general rule from the SMALLBORE book quoted below:
3.18 General - All devices or equipment which may facilitate shooting and which are not mentioned in these
Rules, and which are contrary to the spirit of these Rules and Regulations, are forbidden. The Match Director,
Official Referee, Jury Chairman or Supervisor shall have the right to examine a shooter’s equipment or apparel.
The responsibility shall be upon the competitor to submit questionable equipment and apparel for official
inspection and approval in sufficient time prior to the beginning of a match so that it will not inconvenience either
the competitor or the official.
What does this mean to me, OK you go out to the line with a set of combat boots, that would be fine. Much of the SMALLBORE book was descended from service rifle shooting anyhow. You go out to the line wearing some ski boots and we are going to have issues. If your boots meet the spirit of this rule, go out shoot and have fun.
I will also throw in the caveat, this is supposed to be fun, when running an ISSF style match, especially for the younger kids, even if a set of athletic shoes would fail a true tech inspection for thick soles I would let them pass. I consider my purpose made ISSF legal shooting boots and they are WAY better support than a pair of ISSF illegal Adidas. Just keeping it in perspective.
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| russbroach |
Posted on 12-01-2010 10:41
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thanks!!! I've never shot in an nra position match. ISSF is pretty much all I've done, and I know nra is much relaxed and boots over sneakers = more better. |
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| SJUGOC |
Posted on 13-01-2010 00:10
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the league you shoot in is very relaxed with their rules, its about having fun and enjoying the sport. I am sure your boots will be fine, |
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| justadude |
Posted on 13-01-2010 09:15
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Depending on your level of interest a copy or two of the rule books could be handy. By the time you get them home rulebooks are only a few bucks. Frankly I used to burn way more than the cost of a rulebook in just ammo for one match.
In an earlier life I used to keep a copy of the rules in the bathroom. A few minutes at a time and you get a pretty good sense of all the ins and outs of a particular discipline. This has its benefits and drawbacks. If there was an issue, usually I would talk to a match director and they would really appreciate my pointing out that something should be done differently to comply with the rules. I also ran into one who became openly hostile at even the remote suggestion that he was not doing things correctly. Oh Well.
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| russbroach |
Posted on 13-01-2010 19:46
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I know. Just lazy and $13 in the ol' checking acct. |
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| corning |
Posted on 14-01-2010 16:45
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Be careful of what you invest in that is ISSF (ISU) related. I read that there are some proposals on the table that could affect trousers, jackets, boots and gloves. |
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| justadude |
Posted on 15-01-2010 10:30
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Any reference or source for the proposed changes?
Potential rule changes can always be an issue and there is perpetually talk about something being changed, this needs to be weighed with current level and objectives of the shooter.
At this point we are a little more than two years out from the next Olympics. If ISSF has anything big in store they will probably wait until after the 2012 games, then make the changes. If I was bringing up a junior and they were ready for better equipment right now I would be looking into it. Now, bear in mind, unless it was a really exceptional kid I would not be recommending $1K custom jackets or anything but it would not be worth putting off for two years.
This thread started with boots, and I think it came out that for the origin of the thread that nothing needed to be purchased or modified. Interms of clothing, I consider boots to be last on the list of pieces to acquire.
WRT rule changes, when I was a junior the ISU (now ISSF) rules changes would typically become less restrictive as time went on. That was years ago and there are no guarantees that would always be the case. For local matches the match directors would also use a fair amount of discretion if a reasonable attempt was being made to be international legal. Now clearly if you are going to Colorado Springs or down to Ft. Benning you will need to have "I"s dotted and "T"s crossed.
Of course with my luck, this afternoon ISSF will release a complete new rule book, effective Feb 1. 
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| corning |
Posted on 15-01-2010 17:34
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I have not seen anything specific on the ISSF web site, however, there were two threads over on targettalk.org.
The first was a bit of a rant, with some hot links and a downloadable file. It was:
http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=24217
I haven't taken the time to look at the details, and only scanned the thread. I am not likely to shoot ISSF/ISU, so I've only a passing interest in it.
The second thread was calmer, and very small:
http://www.targettalk.org/viewtopic.php?t=24275 |
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| justadude |
Posted on 16-01-2010 09:32
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Hi Corning,
Thanks for the links, interesting stuff, although the format is a little hard to follow.
There is some serious discussion in there about slimming down the equipment. Having been quite active in 70s and early 80s I can say that it looks like the equipment will return to the support level available around 1985. While the allowed thickness has not gone up in 25 years the quality of specialized materials woven specifically for shooting clothing has. So a reduction in thickness for some things is likely in order.
Note that they were specifically picking on a "plastic" material from Mousch and not being in compliance with the spirit of the sport.
With the discussion of boots, especially, in 1985 I was shooting with some Puma shooting boots, they had the flat soles and uppers just above the ankles, while they did offer some support to the ankle you could walk pretty normally in them. I am going to say it was 1990 when my father sprang for me a REALLY nice set of Thune boots. flat sole, velcro strap to open the back for kneeling or walking, really flash stuff. They are great and offer plenty of ankle support but they do make me part of the "Penguin Parade" the minutes of the meeting note they are trying to get away from. If all of this does make it into the rule book then for offhand the rifle shooters will just end up wearing the same type shoes the pistol shooters wear, then in about a year those shoes will start to become specialized for the rifle sport, they will look about the same but be different.
As for the rest of my gear, I would have to go look to see if it too thick. It always used to pass with a decent margin. While I have never tried it, I had heard that the major manufacturers , Thune, Mousch, Sauer etc. would modify their existing equipment to meet rules changes for little or no charge. I DO NOT know that for a fact and I have never tested the statement. For those with relatively new stuff to whom it is a concern it would be worth looking into.
So is this a conspiracy from the equipment manufacturers? Oh maybe, but IMHO not likely but they will make out. Consider that in German speaking countries of the world target shooting is like golf in the US. Turn on the TV, you get biathalon, or a pistol final not Tiger Woods and his latest Babe'. For precision shooting, the US is some little backwater market, ISSF does not really care about us. If the Europeans are as passionate about their shooting as we are about our golf the main population of participants will grumble a bit and pay their money to keep on playing.
Most of us here are not shooting serious ISSF anyhow so this is really just chatter. Now, go have some fun.
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| justadude |
Posted on 18-02-2010 14:07
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Continuing the discussion on ISSF rule changes.
This link was posted 2/16/2010 regarding the minutes of November '09 meeting. It is pretty interesting reading in that they are very careful to say that NONE of the proposed changes are guaranteed to be adopted. I do see the problem they point out, clothing manufacturers have gotten very good at making stiff materials that will still pass tech inspection.
http://www.issf-s...ewsid=1148
Enjoy the reading.
Cheers
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| justadude |
Posted on 23-06-2010 10:32
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justadude wrote:
As for the rest of my gear, I would have to go look to see if it too thick. It always used to pass with a decent margin. While I have never tried it, I had heard that the major manufacturers , Thune, Mousch, Sauer etc. would modify their existing equipment to meet rules changes for little or no charge. I DO NOT know that for a fact and I have never tested the statement. For those with relatively new stuff to whom it is a concern it would be worth looking into.
'Dude
This thread has been sleeping for a few months but I do have some more info here. Earlier (as shown above) I was discussing manufacturers modifying existing equipment for little or no charge. I was recently reviewing some stuff from Kurt Thune and came across a pretty clear policy statement on this. If you have a piece of Kurt Thune equipment that does not meet the rules that were in effect when it was manufactured they will fix it for free. If ISSF changes the rules and the equipment must be modified to come into compliance with the new rules there will be a charge for the work. Just a slight clarification. As stated before, I would guess the other manufacturers are similar but that is a guess.
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