A local shop is selling a used Anshutz 1913 with case, hand stop/swivell, adjustable butt/shoulder hook and Leupold 36x40 scope (mil dot) for $2100. They also have the contact information for the former owner who may still have the rest of the accessories. The rifle is fairly used. Is this a good price or is it fairly standard? The rifle has hardly been used.
I plan on using it for indoor 50 ft and outdoor 50-100 yd league/competition shooting.
First, I am a little perplexed, you say "The rifle is fairly used" then on the same line you say "The rifle has hardly been used" You probably meant something else but I interpret those very differently.
Anyhow, $2100 for a 1913 on the surface is a decent price but it sounds like some of the critical accessories are missing, like a plam rest and iron sights. There are also some smaller accessories like a special long arm allen wrench for setting bedding torque and all the numerous adjustments then a tiny little allen wrench for some of the trigger adjustments. How about the test target or some indication that it is a decent barrel?
I jumped over on gun broker and found an 1813 (looks like early in the 1800 series) no case but complete with all the doodads and no case for $2500. It is a test set of one but indicates that $2100 for an Anschutz Free Rifle is not out of the ballpark.
Looking at making things complete, if you cannot get some of the other hardware from the previous owner a modern set of iron sights can set you back in the neighborhood of $500. Palm rests are going out of vogue with the advent of the skeleton stocks, there are very simple ones for less than $100 but if you can find the more universally adjustable ones (assuming that is what you want) expect to pay accordingly. Bottom line there, you could be close to $3000 by the time you have the rifle "complete".
You say a 36X40 Leupold, 36 power will be useless for anything but prone shooting, then personally I don't like the Mil-Dot for target shooting, too much crap going on in the field of view. If you want to shoot position and "any sight" rules apply you will still need a lower power scope, if your league is "metallic sight" you will have to get some iron sights (previously mentioned).
Assuming the barrel has not been damaged or abused, properly tuned and matched to some decent ammo the rifle should shoot out to 100 yards just fine.
Thanks, yes, I meant barely used. Current pricing on the 1913 is around $2800 (no sights) and $1000 on the scope. I am not much for mil dots and I was wondering about the power. There was an allen wrench and hand stop. I don't know if the former owner still has the equipment or not. The store won't give me the contact information unless I buy the rifle. They provide a one year warrantee, but aren't sure if not shooting a tight group is covered.
Some other options I am considering: The Kimber of Oregon military surplus rifle on the CMP web site (http://www.thecmp.org/kimber82desc.htm). It comes with a set of iron sights and a rail. $400
The Anshutz 64 mp r, it has a rail but not sights for around $950.
Call me cynical, but if the dealer isn't willing to put you in touch with the former owner, it would tell me that the former owner does not have the parts, or that even if he does, he may be unlikely to part with them, or they would be in the dealers hands, or the dealer has the "missing" pieces, and is going to part them out, after the gun sells. I would say that what you see, is what you are going to get on this deal.
Personally, I would consider walking away from this and continue looking.
Neither the Kimber or Anschutz 64 hold a candle to the 1413 (or equivalent). I would look on gunbroker, guns america, and guns international to see what else might be out there. There are other forums and discussion groups that have items for sale too.
In your first post you mention rifle and scope with case were $2100, then from your more recent the rifle is $2800 and the scope another $1000. Not sure which is a typo.
Now, at $2800 a used 1913 is no deal, you can go to Champion's Choice and get a brand new one (walnut stock) for $2900. (No sights or accessories) For a few hundred more you can get the high speed low drag aluminum stock. I wil also side with Corning, if the store does not want to try to obtain the accessories or let you talk to the original owner this means the accessories are not avaliable.
Now, I am not up on pricing of Leupold scopes but the 36X makes this a prone only scope. If you want a scope to shoot position look for something no more than about 10X, especially if you are new to the game. As far as reticle, find one with something called a "Target Dot", this is exactly what it sound like, crosshairs with a single dot in the middle.
It has been about 20 years since I last messed with a Kimber but I seem to recall the action was more or less a Winchester 52 knock off. This is not a bad thing, but there is the original and the copy and Kimber is definitely a copy. Additionally I seem to recall that the rail was just different enough so that the European source accessories would not fit the rifle. Bottom line, again to backup what Corning has already said, the Kimber is definitely second tier compared to any of the Anschutz Match 54 based action offerings. However, for $400 it would likely be a fine rifle to get you going while you looked for a nicer target rifle. It would also make you appreciate the refinement of the European target rifles. The 64MP is based on a lighter action and while I am confident it is a fun rifle to shoot, is not a true target rifle.
Now I went over to the introductions and you noted it has been years since you shot and you want to try the competitive game. A 1913 or any of the Anschutz XX13 rifles might not be the best choice. The problem with the XX13 is so many adjustments it is easy to get lost as to what you are doing.
Unless you are really big in stature an XX07 might be a better choice. Fewer adjustments can make for easier setup. Now if you are big framed or have wide shoulders it is possible the pull (distance between the trigger and butt plate) might not be able to be made long enough. (That applies to the older 1407,1807 and 1907) the newer ones have much more adjustment to the length of pull than the older models.
Now, some people get it in their mind that they have to have a 1913 or a 2013 and that is the only rifle that will do. Don't get me wrong, they are fine rifles, just too complex for someone just learning the basics of building a position. Just some food for thought.
Thanks for for your comments, The 1913 is used and $2100 with the scope. It had been listed at $2800. The price I found on a new rifle alone is $2800 and the scope new is $1000. I agree about the scope, it would be very difficult to hold it on a target in off hand or sitting position.
What do folks think of the 1903? There is a barely used one for $750 with a hard case, hand stop and swivel, no sights from a highly recommended dealer?
I am trying not to buy "too much rifle" and the simpler things are, the better I like them. I want a rifle to shoot and punch holes in paper where I want them punched, not a rifle to fiddle with all the time. I realize some fine tuning is always necessary. I also am hoping not to get too basic of a rifle I outgrow in a season or two.
I looked at the link fr the 1813, the price by the time I add a scope is above what I want to spend to get myself going here but I will follow the auction.
The other thing you have to ask yourself is whether you really need a scope. Like you have observed, a 36X is not going to do you much good shooting position. Bench rest or prone, it will be fine. If you don't need a scope right away, keep looking, buy something with iron sights now, and take the plunge on a scope later.
You are running into a common problem, there is usually a modest selection of rifles the work well for juniors and a modest selection of top end free rifles but often very few in the middle ground, those being the xx07 Anschutz or other similar "standard" rifles.
First, you asked about the 1903, this is a lighter rifle based on the model 64 action (as opposed to the match 54 action used on the 1907 and 1913 and similar models. This is also the same action as was on the 64 MP-R you were asking about earlier in this thread. The 1903 is however in a stock that is more oriented to target shooting. Comparing the 1903 to the 1907 you will notice first the 03 is about half the price. It also is about a pound lighter than an 07. It likely does not take lots to figure the 07 is a much more refined rifle. You would find the 03 is pretty good out to 50 yards but would start to fall off the pace at 100yards. Does this mean the 03 is a bad rifle, not by a long shot, for youth teams and smaller shooters new to the sport there I times when I would have killed to have about six of them, just understand that they are not top end target rifles and you may find one to be a little on the light side, especially if you are a bigger person.
You may want to consider that the first rifle you buy will not be your forever rifle. You have not mentioned if you have the other equipment such as sling, jacket, glove, mat, loading block, offhand stand, kneeling roll, spotting scope.... the list goes on. You don't have to have all of this at once but if you want to shoot 3 positon you will likely need to acquire much of it as time goes on. Clearly the rifle is the most important part but you could start with the Kimber you mentioned or a 1903 shoot that for a little while so you can decide if you really want to do this and in a year or so you would have most of the entry level accessories and you can look to trade up on the rifle. If after a year or so you decide you really are not interested then you can sell the whole deal and look for something else.
Having mentioned both the 1903 and the Kimber a little background. First, the 1903 is intended specifically to be an entry level Anschutz. Deiter does not intend for the 1903 to ever be any more than a good ergonomically correct introductory target rifle and as I mentioned focused a bit on younger (smaller) people. The Kimber, when it was introduced was touted as being America's re-entry into the competition target rifle market. The rifle was OK but not great and what little target rifle market there has been clearly has a taste for the European hardware. They are not bad rifles for introductory work, they are simple without tremendous amounts of adjustments. The stock is clearly set up for a physcially larger person than the 1903 and weight is similar to the Anschutz 1907. (In my mind I am convinced the 1903 was designed with about a 15 year old European in mind while the Kimber was designed with a full size adult American male in mind.) There is no universally correct answer other than you may do well to look for a starter rifle with the plan to upgrade after a year or two.
Getting over to the scope issue, how are your eyes? Would you need glasses to see the front sight? My eyes went south a few years back an I went the route of the special shooting frames that hold the lens so I am looking straight through it into the sights. Works like a champ and I love it, I can still shoot iron sights. Now if your eyes are bad and you are fighting glasses and need a scope to shoot then you will have to decide how much you are willing to spend on a scope. Recall that scopes, while they look simple, seem to come with their own sets of problems, getting parallax set for your distance, mounts that torque the tube, loose reticles and occasionally water incursion. Iron sights are pretty simple and if something is not right it is usually pretty easy to see what it is. Anyhow, again to reiterate Corning's input, unless your eyes are so bad you cannot shoot irons, I would recommend you start with irons and perhaps some special glasses frames and call that good for a while.
Perhaps this helps, I hope I have not confused you more.
Based on the serial number #97232 and term "SuperMatch" and description of with hook and palmrest this would be a 1972 model 1413. I have one of its cousins #97022 Match 54, mine was a 1972 1407.
The early to mid 70s were some of the best barrels Anschutz turned out. You never heard of anyone getting a barrel that was just so so. You had some interest in performance at 100 yards, this rifle would likely be a top performer.
If the condition is as stated, Very Good, $1500 for the whole kit, sights and all, is probably a pretty fair price.
Ohhh my bad, the posting on the website only says "Match 54". I would have to go back in my stuff but I guess at that point in time Anschutz had not developed the "Supermatch" trade name.
Regardless, this sure sounds like it would be a Model 1413.
Thanks all, after careful consideration and checking things out, I went with the 1913. I was able to look at and find less expensive (not by much) rifles with the match 64 action but after further research, figured the little extra for the rifle can be offset by selling the scope and getting a less expensive lower power one. So if anyone wants a 36x40 Leupold scope with rings, let me know. Now to get out an shoot!
