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| justadude |
Posted on 31-01-2010 22:27
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nhoj557 wrote:
Just a thought, Haven't used it outside yet but getting good results using Aquila Match rifle. Has same ballistics ( speed, bullet drop) as Eley using same powder (also has the distinctive smell) probably not same formulation. Does not use same shape of bullet because Eley has a claim to that.
nhoj557,
I have heard that Aquila is supposed to use some of the Eley processes. I have also not seen or heard of any serious tests with Aquila at a 50m distance. The 50m is the important part, by saying you have not used it outside yet I am guessing you are shooting at 50ft. An ammo has to be really awful to be able to see performance flaws at 50ft. Unless the stuff was really cheap I would not buy significant amounts based on performance at 50ft. I would be interested in hearing what you find when you get it outdoors.
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| nhoj557 |
Posted on 02-02-2010 20:18
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Sorry I want tp say I haven't used thier Match rifle outdoors I have used the standard stuff outdoors and shoots better than me. This is comparable to the CMP Aquila. The match rifle is a least a grade above.
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| justadude |
Posted on 03-02-2010 18:00
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nhoj557 wrote:
Sorry I want tp say I haven't used thier Match rifle outdoors I have used the standard stuff outdoors and shoots better than me. This is comparable to the CMP Aquila. The match rifle is a least a grade above.
Doing some looking online I see we have been misspelling it, a "g" not a "q".
Looking at the picture of the box on the CMP site you have to wonder. The boxes look pretty "industrial", my first question might me, "Hmmm I wonder if the ammo inside has the same "industrial" character.
I still have some old stock to go through before I start buying more ammo, but I am curious, mostly for the sake of being curious, who is carrying Aguilla? CMP said they were sold out as of 9/22/09 and Midway USA carries it but every last type/level is listed as out of stock backorder OK. Other ususal suspects don't even list it in their product lineup.
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| nhoj557 |
Posted on 04-02-2010 04:23
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Try Cheaper than dirt. That's where I get mine. |
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| Metaleer |
Posted on 05-02-2010 17:51
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I have tried the Aguila Match Rifle Ammunition in a Anschutz 1411, Match 54 and H&R M12 and am not impressed. The shooting was done at 50 yards with two other shooters also trying the ammo. It did not live up to it's expectations. SK Std. +, RWS Target and even Wolf MT out performed it by a wide margin.
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| iistowan |
Posted on 11-02-2010 13:24
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I have tried Eley-Team and so far it seems to be as accurate as Match, or in some weather situations actually shot better than Tenex. Now, try and find it at a reasonable price. |
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| nhoj557 |
Posted on 11-02-2010 18:05
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I think that's what we are trying to discuss, reasonable price. Everybody knows that the Eley will out perform most other ammo. But to go out and shoot 3 or 4 boxes during the week for practice is cost prohibitive to most. What we are trying to find is a ammo that will perform in practice approx the way Eley does without breaking the bank.Then shoot Eley in matches. |
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| justadude |
Posted on 12-02-2010 18:32
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nhoj557 wrote:
I think that's what we are trying to discuss, reasonable price.
This is of course one of the reasons precision airgun is getting lots of traction. Yeah, the in price of a late model pre-compressed pneumatic is stiff but after that they can be shot for say 2 cents a shot.
I did a little price shopping at Champions Choice and Champions Shooter Supply. Looking just at Eley because I need to get a few other things done and a survey of all possible target ammo would take some time.
On the average:
Tenex -> 34.5 cents/shot
Match -> 23 cents/shot
Team -> 19.5 cents/shot
Club -> 13 cents/shot
Target -> 9.5 cents/shot
Sport -> 6 cents/shot
Now, I have not seen anyone singing the praises of "Sport". In fact the only feedback I have on "Sport" is one biathlete at my local range who was pretty lukewarm about "Sport" At the same time I know nothing about her rifle or abilities so there is no baseline to judge from.
While not dominating the discussion Eley Target seems to be OK. (No one has flamed it) Now, a few folks have chimed up about Wolf and SK-Jagd as being decent practice ammo, these two seem to both dial in at 9 cents/shot. In terms of pricepoint, this seems to be where we are, 9 cents/shot or about $4.50 per box of 50.
There have been a few nods to Eley Club for matches, if you believe the advertising Team is supposed to be like Club but with the new bullet shape. Again, would have to buy and test to evaluate that statement.
The really interesting thing here is that with the exception of the gap between Team and Match you can take each ammo price add 35 to 50% and you at the next step up in the product line. This just gives me the sneaking feeling this is more marketing and pricepoints than true cost of manufacture for value added.
Coming full circle, unless someone has some other info, it looks like to feed our rifles decent ammo, even for practice, we should expect to spend about 9 cents per shot, regardless of whose name is on the box. Then of course the price goes up from there.
Just my 2 er 9 cents on the topic.
Cheers,
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| iistowan |
Posted on 14-02-2010 14:31
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The SKJag Match Rifle works out to about .12 per shot. It shoots well enough to be good match ammo for starters, and intermediates.
Great practice ammo for better than average shooters. |
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| Metaleer |
Posted on 15-02-2010 08:04
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iistowan wrote:
I have tried Eley-Team and so far it seems to be as accurate as Match, or in some weather situations actually shot better than Tenex. Now, try and find it at a reasonable price.
Please tell me about the weather conditions that you mention and other thoughts about this round. Thank you
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| iistowan |
Posted on 16-02-2010 14:06
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Thank you for asking:
Eley Team @1052 fps
Test #1
58 Degrees F, 88% humidity, 29.90 Baro, +345 Density Altitude.
Groups average @50 Metres (5x5...25 rounds): .351 Inches center to center
Eley Team @1052 fps
42 Degrees F, 89% humity, 29.97 Baro, Negative 800 density Altitude.
Best group .300 @50 metres, worst .394 @50 metres.
Average group size (5X5...25 rounds) was .348"
NO fliers were experienced. At 100 yards the groups were not as consistant as Match/Tenex.
Eley Match @1063 shot groups of .300 average, and Tenex @1063 shot groups of .271 and .308
Cost is a determining factor, and TEAM meets all the requirements.
ELEY stopped production of TEAM for several months because it was deeping effecting the sales of Match and Tenex. But when it is available, get all you can afford. It is well worth the price.
Thanks much, Tim |
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| iistowan |
Posted on 16-02-2010 14:16
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Sorry, I forgot to say these tests were three (3) months apart and conditions were differant. Especially Density Altitude. (Ck web site for Density Altitude meters to understand this concept)
I would feel very comfortable shooting Team at a big match if conditions were close to my test conditions. (Except @ 100 yards, then a faster ammo is needed, but could still be TEAM)
One thing you really do need is a very good testing system that holds the rifle in a purfect/consistant position shot to shot. |
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| justadude |
Posted on 17-02-2010 17:18
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iistowan
One more detail, what kind of rifle and how long is the barrel?
Great data by the way.
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| iistowan |
Posted on 18-02-2010 17:51
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Sorry, I guess that would make a differance. LOL.
I shoot a newer Anschutz with a 690 barrel, cold steel. (Not Stainless) I use Anschutz front and rear sights, with an adjustable front appature. I have changed the Cheek rest from Ans to the new MEC adjustable, and a MEC hand stop. I also invested in a MEC sling. (cost is rather steep, but worth it) I also have an MEC "STRIKE" extention tube.
Standard two stage trigger, set at 60 grms. A Monard Olympic jacket, all leather. I do use a little weight on the front of the stock, looks like little rabbit ears from Anschutz. Tried a more adjustable unit but decided I didin't like the feel. At least for me. Standard offhand block to raise the rifle up a bit. Tried a palm grip but it didn't feel right, so is now in the "Discontinued" box at home.
I use filters sparingly, yellow, rose, green, and blue. Usually shoot with a rear appature opening at .9mm as high as 1.1 if really bad light. Never any more open than 1.1 mm. Front appiture varies by position. Offhand being the most open, prone the most closed up.
If you want more info, I am pleased to add to this. I am willing to assist as much as you wish. O' I am also a Level 2 Small Bore instructor. Tim |
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| justadude |
Posted on 19-02-2010 08:36
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Wow, sounds like you have put lots of work into developing that rifle so it really fits you!
I was just looking for "Anschutz action, 690mm (27 in) barrel" as the barrel length has some bearing on muzzle velocity. In terms of accuracy there still seems to be a fair amount of debate regarding ideal barrel length.
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| iistowan |
Posted on 19-02-2010 15:41
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YES, I sure have. But, it is worth the effort as far as accuracy and score are concerned.
Been good talking and sharing with you. Tim
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| iistowan |
Posted on 23-02-2010 14:46
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I guess I fall back into the habit of refering to a rifle as a weapon from 30+ years of service to the community.
I will try and correct that habit. Thanks, Tim
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| iistowan |
Posted on 24-02-2010 20:56
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Old habits die very hard, this is the result of 30+ years serving my community.
If you do what you have always done, you will get what you have always gotten. |
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| presidentg |
Posted on 02-03-2010 17:32
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Hi everyone!
New to this forum and I noticed talk about Aguila ammo. I buy Golden Eagle Target from the CMP and have used it for the last 4 years. I've sent around 15,000+ rds down range, mostly at 50yds, some at 100yds. I've used it in a Win 52, a Win 52B, several H&R M12s, several Kimber 82Gs, a couple of Rem 40Xs and a BSA MK4 (and all manner of sporter types).
Tomorrow I'll see how my new Anschutz 1913 likes it.
Seems like I can shoot 48s and 49s with the ammo all day long at 50yds. If everything is right, meaning if I do everything right, 50s are possible for me. I've been using the NRA 23 @ 50yds, shooting prone. Personally I really like the ammo. I buy it in 5000 rd cases and it's been very consistant within case lots. Recently the CMP upped the price to $305 per 5000 rds about $.06 per shot. I'm always happy to recommend it but I have shooting buddies who have zero luck with it.
The big question, of course is whether the 1913 will like it and that's important as that's the rifle I'll be using from now on. We shall see.
If you are able to purchase from the CMP, try a brick. The CMP calls it 419ASVGE |
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| justadude |
Posted on 07-06-2010 14:55
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This thread has been quiet for a while, hopefully with the nicer weather everyone is out at the range shooting.
Early on in this thread Metaleer noted one thing to do was look at ammo used by some of competitors in the online postal matches.
http://www.target...;year=2010 This link leads to the postings for Target Shooting Canada and their online matches. I noted that along with the usual suspects the winner of the 50m prone match shot a 585 through a 1913 using Wolf Match Extra.
For those unfamilar with the ISSF type prone match this would be an fired on A-50/51 target and 585 would likely equate to about a 600-45X on an A-23 conventional prone target using iron sights.
While not an unqualified endorsement of the ammo, 585 is a good enough performance to warrant further investigation.
Bear in mind, I have never tried Wolf ammo of any flavor. I am still getting through the stuff I bought back when I was very active. At some point I will have to buy more ammo and this might be worth a test.
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